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On Kids And Screens, A Middle Way
Between Fear And Hype
July 13, 2016
Anya Kamenetz
School's out, and a lot of parents are getting through the long summer days with extra
helpings of digital devices.
How should we feel about that?
Well, if you're a faithful reader of NPR Ed we don't blame you for being a little
conflicted. On the one hand, electronic toys for babies fall short in educational benefits,
some screen-addled tweens may be worse at reading emotions and cyberbullying,
privacy, even suicide are concerns.
On the other hand, shows like Daniel Tiger promote pro-social messages, artificial
intelligence promises "magical robo-tutors in the sky," more students will soon be
expected to learn computer science, and you can start them on it as young as age 4.
Sonia Livingstone, who has been researching families and technology for nearly three
decades, says that families are getting whipsawed by this "polarized" advice.
And the media, as well as other authorities, are to blame for concentrating on the negative
effects of screens on kids without differentiating between potential risks and actual
harms, or correlations and cause, and for not talking enough about what constructive role
parents can play other than yanking the plug.
"Parents are panicked by the messages about the dangers of the Internet," Livingstone
says. "Messages are coming from very scattered sources and reaching parents in garbled
forms. If they look for official advice, they tend to find 10 ways to say, 'Don't,' but no
ways to say 'Do.' "
Livingstone is currently a professor of social psychology at the London School of
Economics and Political Science, where she directs a research project called Parenting for
a Digital Future. They've recently published a research brief on families and screen time,
as well as an ethnographic study of kids learning online titled "The Class." We sat down
to talk about what better advice for parents might sound like, and where it might come
from.
You blame the media for dwelling on the dangers of too much screen time and of
Internet use. But those risks are very real, aren't they?
Yes, child porn, grooming [for abuse], stranger danger, suicide — the major crimes of the
Internet could reach your child. We don't want to undermine that message. But we have
to move the parent advice on from there. Just like it's true that you have to stop your child
getting knocked down on the road, but most of the time when you leave the house you
talk about where you're going, to the cinema or the library, and why. You don't have to
always say, "And, by the way, don't get knocked down." We want a sense of a much
greater diversity of messages reaching parents.
So what are some examples of more diverse messages? You cite the evidence in
favor of "parental mediation" — what does that mean, exactly?
Most of the time parents have bought this technology and put it in their homes because
they hope it can bring benefits. One goal we talk about a lot is to support learning and
creating. So you can look at what your child enjoys online and have a conversation about
how you can develop and support that. Children learn and explore and develop skills
based on their own motivations and interest. So instead of saying, "You've been playing
that game too long," say, "What is so interesting? Show me." And hopefully there can be
some shared interests.
Speaking of sharing, you argue shared screens can be springboards to deeper
conversations and even more emotional closeness, right?
I did my Ph.D. on soap operas. And what lots of parents told me [back then] was that
they watch it together because even though it's trashy, someone's bound to have an
abortion, an affair, or run away. And parents and teens can begin a gentle conversation
about that: What did you think?
It was kind of the conversation trigger for the difficult topics.
I'm struck that in the age of individual screens, parents are now using TV as a way of
trying to bring the family together: "Let's sit down and watch a show!" You can do that
for the Internet too. Kids do it all the time on phones. They gather round and show each
other and talk about things. We could have more of that.
But another kind of parental involvement that's often portrayed as the responsible
thing to do, installing trackers and monitors and knowing their passwords on social
media, doesn't work as well. Why is that?
I think that's one of the big American — British differences. I hear a lot more from
American parents: It's my phone, my kid, I pay for it and I have a right to know. The
British have been historically more likely to say: They have a right to privacy. But
research shows that if you monitor and surveil your kids, and they don't like it, they'll
have Facebook for you and Tumblr for their friends and they won't tell you about the
Tumblr. And if you set up the computer so it monitors everything then they'll go round to
a friend's house.
On the other hand, if parents could find something they enjoy doing together, like playing
a game with their kids, then if there's porno popups or contacts from strangers coming up
on their [kids'] phones they'll see it. And that that will be reassuring: They'll see the
environment without having to seem like they're the police.
So is your message about kids on the Internet "trust, but verify"?
My current test for parents is not "Have you said all the right things?" but "Does your
child come to you and talk to you about what they're doing or their worries on the
Internet?" You need to create the circumstance where they want to do that.
Let's shift to an arena where the conversation is much less about risks and harms
and much more about promised benefits: screens in education. Your recently
published book The Class followed a group of 13-year-olds in England to see how
they were learning with technology both in and out of school. What did you find?
There are two kinds of things to be said about tech in schools. One is, is it effective? And
the other is, how does learning in school relate to learning at home?
So "The Class" was kind of about both, but more about the relation between what
children did at home and whether it got recognized at the school. Our argument is that
middle class kids and parents are better at making the connection between home and
school. Where with the poorer, more disadvantaged kids there's a disconnect.
And what are your thoughts about tech in schools in general?
Both in the States and Britain, there's a lot of experimentation going on. There's a lot of
schools where everyone's got a tablet and it's brilliant and others where they're piled up in
a closet, or teachers say, "We get better results with books." You have to lock them
down. Don't let the kids bring them home. The schools are under quite a lot of pressure to
be risk-averse. Parents get upset when anything goes wrong. So I don't hear the same
excitement that there was 10 years ago.
And it's only around the really geeky enthusiastic teachers that things are happening.
I do see some weariness developing among educators, maybe in response to
overhyped marketing. And yet what do you make of the argument that our
classrooms need to resemble the workplaces of today, and really the rest of the
world?
So what is tech good for? It's good for multimedia presentations, collaborative projects,
just-in-time and small-group and interest-led learning. It's good for things that schools are
struggling with for other reasons. And assessment is a real problem. So it's OK when
you're 5 or 7, but when you get to be 14 or 17 assessment is very, very traditional.
It's also not quite established for schools what the benefits are yet. We're asking them to
change teacher training, curriculum, management, investment, funding. And there are
some evaluations that show a result of better learning and more equality, but plenty of
studies that don't.
That's not the the most appealing message: Change everything and we think it might
work. We wouldn't roll out new drugs on that basis.