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Thank you for

joining us today for this edition of Dr. James

Dobson family talk. I'm Luann crane here with Ryan Dobson along

with our host, Dr. James Dobson

and DR. And Ryan, I cannot help but notice that wherever you

go these days, when you take a

stand for truth, you'll soon be branded

as someone who is intolerant or fanatical

or even hateful. Hey, tell me about it. Here at Family Talk, we do feel a calling to do what we can

to make people more aware of the trap

of moral relativism because it is very important what we

believe and how we live, and especially how we

raise our children. It touches every

area of life, from the depravity that we see in the

media every day to a politically correct

curriculum being taught in the

public schools and everything in-between. It is evident

now more than ever before that

we're living in what might be called a post Christian society that will inflame a

lot of people too, but that's the

way I read it. I pay attention to what's going on in the culture. And it looks to

me like that even many

Christians really don't know what

that means. A referring to a post

Christian society. So let me define

it quickly. A post Christian or

postmodern society is based on a

philosophy that says, there is no God, there are no rules. And if he doesn't exist, there are no

ultimate guidelines. And I hear that

point of view, especially in the

popular culture more and more and it

does cause me concern. So basically anything

goes, anything goes. Now. What that means

is there is no true, There's no right or wrong. There's nothing

evil or good. There's nothing

moral or immoral. Each person makes up

his own value system. As the scripture

says, judges 21, 25. Every man did what was

right in his own eyes. And I believe that

we're rapidly becoming a society dominated by

that point of view. And it's

disastrous because you walk away from

God in that way and there are consequences

of it were moving in that

direction at breakneck pace toward that kind of

Godless worldview. Now, Ryan, you're more in touch with the younger

generation than I am. Tell me if what

I just said is more characteristic of

those who are xors, are those who are

coming into adult life, perhaps at,

through their 30s, then it is those of us who've lived

a little longer. I think if you

extend it into those that are in

their 30s and 40s, I think it's about

the same four people in your generation.

I wouldn't say that. I said you definitely had a better handle on truth. There was a standard by which you judge

something to be right or wrong. But when you drop down

to my generation, the current administration

that's rolling our White House

and younger. Now, a lot of people are making it up as

they go along. His a profound statement, cause of where

we're headed. If you don't

have a standard, if you don't have a set of moral values that

are inevitably true, then you're wandering

through a minefield. And Satan can do all kinds of

things with that. Well, at that point

it's majority rule. And unfortunately there's a whole lot more

wolves than sheep. And we could be in

for some scary times. I'm glad that today we're

going to be hearing from someone who's very knowledgeable

of what we're talking about and who's in a position to help us explain these concepts in, in an enlightening way. Yes, Our guest by recording is a man

who I think has good a fix on what

we're talking about is anybody in

Christian them today, especially when he's

talking to young people. And Ryan, he will

begin his presentation today by describing

two definitions of the word tolerance. They have very

different meanings and I'm not going

to try to explain them now because

they're discussed very thoroughly and what

we're about to hear. But I do urge our listeners to listen

carefully to Josh, make Dao as he makes this important

distinction. Doctor, this is one

of the most carefully and well articulated

explanations at this point

I've ever heard. In fact, I quickly passed along copies of

this message to all three of my young sons knowing that they

would get pummeled with this information

and I wanted them to be equipped to address it

in the school system. So I hope we've peaked parents interests

to make sure that their children are

aware of this and two of them are in

college Absolutely. Where they do tend to hear the message

of tolerance. That's true. Let me go ahead

and quickly introduce Josh McDowell. He heads

appropriately enough that Josh McDowell

ministry, he's been closely

affiliated with Campus Crusade for

Christ since 960. For Josh has spoken to over 10 million

young people in a 113 countries

over the years. He's written over

a 115 books. I can retire Just thinking about

it here now is Josh McDowell talking to the Campus Crusade

for Christ staff at their headquarters

in Orlando, Florida, right here on Dr. James Dobson

and family talk. We are going through this very moment that

we're sitting here, the fastest

cultural change in the history of America. And I would say 95% of believers are missing it. They're seen

indications of it, but not what is

really happening. I'm going to address that issue because

it's become an a whole foundation

of having to speak out on

right from wrong. And what I'm talking

about is what has become the number one

virtue in America. The number one

virtue in America has become the

number one threat, or one of the top

two or three threats to the cause of Christ. Can anyone tell me what that number one virtue is used to be justice,

not anymore. Justice is no longer

the number one virtue. It's been relegated

way down the ladder. What is the number one virtue that we

face in America? Anyone? Tolerance? Tolerance. And

here's the problem. So many kids come

home from school. And mom will say, well, would you talk about today are what went well, we talked about tolerance. Oh, that's wonderful. We need to be Tyler's. No, it is not wonderful. And undermines everything that you believe it. Now somebody is

sitting there and I can just look

in your icing. Wait a minute,

Josh, you're off base knowing that you

listen carefully. The reason I'm saying What I'm saying is this is that we're singing off to different song sheets. You see we're in a

transitional period where there's two distinct

definitions of tolerance. One by parents and people

our age right here. The other buy kits. And what has been

ingrained and talk to our

kids is totally different than what is in your mind as a parent. And let me explain that. Pretty much here. You had been conditioned by what is referred to as

traditional tolerance. It is now referred to

as negative tolerance. Negative tolerance. Negative tolerance

would be defined by the Random House unabridged dictionary,

where it says, tolerance is to recognize and respect

others beliefs, practices without

sharing them, or to bear or put up with someone or something

that especially light. That is how almost

everyone in this room has been

condition with tolerance. Now that is referred to as negative tolerance. In our circles we would say and

think we're very godly for saying that and very righteous saying, Well, you know, you're

to love the center, but the hate, the sin. You say that in most university

classrooms in America, and you will be

labeled a heretic, a bigot, and intolerant. If you had the

gall to say one of the most intolerant

statements today that you are to love the sinner,

but hate the sin. And the reason

is we're singing off a different

song sheet. This is so critical

that dr. Hristov good goal in an article called The trouble

with toleration says, toleration is the

ultimate and only generally accepted

litmus test of morality. No other single category, not justice, not equality, not even freedom has one such wide

moral support. In the Western world.

We say things like, you know, I love you, but I don't believe in

what you stand for. I love you, but I don't believe in your lifestyle. Now, the way we pick condition that is righteous and

that is tolerant. Under the new song

sheet that is so intolerant,

It's pathetic. Now there's a new

tolerance out and on. The new tolerance

is called positive tolerance over against

what you've been conditioned in

negative tolerance. Positive tolerance

basically says this. Every single

individual's beliefs, values, lifestyle, and truth claims

are equal. Now let me repeat it. Every single

individual's beliefs, values, lifestyle, and truth claims

are all equal. In other words,

there is no In the new buzzword

is no hierarchy. In other words,

there's no truth greater than

another truth. There is no belief greater than

another belief. There's no value

greater than another value

or lifestyle. Because the moment you say that your lifestyle is better at somebody else's lifestyle

that has hierarchy. And today that is labeled bigotry intolerance. Because you're

seeing there is hierarchy or pure middle. When it comes to

values, beliefs, truth claims,

or lifestyle. All individuals

beliefs, values, lifestyles and truth

claims are equal. For example, I make

the statement, I believe Jesus Christ

is the Son of God. This young lady

over here says no, after seeing all

the good works and everything else

helping children, I believe Ronald McDonald

is the Son of God. Now we laugh at that,

but listen carefully. Under the Constitution. We both have an equal

right to hold it. But under tolerance,

both are equal. You see the difference.

The new definition for bigotry and

phonetics. Does this. The phonetic or big? It is no longer a person with excessive religious

or quasi-religious and usually

mistaken enthusiasm for a certain

system of beliefs. But one who

chooses some form of hierarchy is a big hit. In other words,

you say there's a lifestyle greater

than another lifestyle. There's a truth greater

than another truth, there's a value greater

than another value. That's bigotry today.

And that's intolerance. Fanaticism, and heresy. Dr. Frederick W. Hill, a school administrator of the National

Convention, said, it is the mission of public schools not the

tolerate intolerance. Because if you tolerate intolerance, you're

being intolerant. And you're going to see

what I mean by that. We look at

people, say what, you are so inconsistent, You're not be intolerant. Well, if they're

tolerant, if most people in culture is tolerant towards

you with what you believe being

intolerant. I said to my son.

I said Sean. And they taught you to be tolerant of the

intolerant. He said No. I said

That's right, son. I said they

taught you to be tolerant of the

tolerant and giving you permission to be intolerant of

the intolerant. He said Dad, that's right. They said none of my

friends understand that. I said That's right. And what he was

saying that if we're not

intolerant of the intolerant than

we are not be intolerant and

were bigots. All truth is relative

to the individual. Under positive tolerance. All truth is equal

because it's only individual expression and opinion, belief. Because an objective

god has been removed from Western

civilization thought. This is why it a day

they say you don't have morality. You

have opinions. That's another new

buzzword, opinions. Now, here's a basic

difference between negative tolerance and

positive tolerance. Under negative tolerance, the word was permission. Whether the gays,

lesbians are what we want permission from society to live our

lifestyle and peace. And we say,

okay, You can't, we don't agree

with you, but you have permission

to do it. Under positive tolerance.

It's added a word. Now. It's not only

permission, but praise. And the new phrase is

permission and praise. In other words, we not only want your permission, we demand your praise. And if you do not give us praise than your intolerant,

and you're a bigot. This is why Dr. RM hair, a philosopher,

put it this way. He said, tolerance is

a readiness to respect other people's ideas as if they were your own. And under positive

tolerance, if you do not give praise to another

person's beliefs, values, lifestyle

or truth claims. As you do your own, then you are in tolerant. And a bigot. You see it's totally opposite of what most of us

condition with. But when our kids come

home and say, Oh, we talked about tolerance in almost every situation. It's positive tolerance. But we are responding

There's parents with had been conditioned

with negative tolerance. We say, oh,

that's wonderful. When it undermines

every thing that we believe is like

Steven Conn said in liberalism and

the idea of tolerance. He said, They also desired to be esteemed in

this choice by the community and to even when the applause

against the will, so to speak of,

of the fans. What he is saying is

this. If we do not applaud other people's

lifestyles, beliefs, values, and truth claims

as we do our own, then you're a bigot

and you're intolerant. And then as kinda Stern, dr. Stern writing

an article called battling bigotry

on the campus. In writing to the

university presidency, said we must make

the university quo comfortable for

all its members. In other words,

no matter what the lifestyle or what, we must not only

get permission, we must give praise. And they must feel comfortable that

what they're doing, their lifestyle,

their belief, their value, their

truth claim is equal in value to anyone

else in the campus. That's called

positive tolerance. Chuck Carlson is novel called Gideon's

torch, hit on it. Chuck has won a few

people that really understand what's

happening and culture and can read it. Emily Guinean is a new attorney general

nominee in the story, and a conservative senator and the committee

is grilling her. Truth, sir Guinean said

her eyes sparkling. Now only offensive is when a government

sees to it that every individual

can enjoy his or her full and

equal opportunity when every man and

woman following the dictates

of conscience. Not just tolerated but respected in their

lifestyle choices. When bigotry that is seen, one lifestyle is great, another one values

create another. When bigotry is banished from our common life, every single

individual's beliefs, values, truth claims, and lifestyles are equal. That's called

positive targets. This is not a conspiracy. Please understand that. It's not a group

of evil men and women getting

together and saying we're going to destroy evangelical Christianity and the Mormons and Muslims and everyone else. No, this is not. And everybody likes

to find a conspiracy. It's not a conspiracy. Know, there's a

lot of people taking advantage of it.

I don't blame them. There's many people taken advantage of what's

happened historically. I think there's

several basic reasons. There's many, but

several basic ones of how we got the

positive tolerance. One is a natural

progression of history to where

we are today. Not a conspiracy going all the way back to the 13th century in Italy, you have a video here, say of the world,

of history. God, the Creator God. Western civilizations

at the top, created man is

at the bottom. Along came the

Renaissance. In a Renaissance

elevated man about a quarter of the way and brought God down about a

quarter of the way. And the Renaissance

probably wouldn't have

that great of an impact if

it hadn't been followed by the

enlightenment, the age of reason. Man is the master

of his soul. Man through

reasoning can solve all the problems, understand life,

everything. And with the

enlightenment, man was elevated up

to about halfway and God was elevated down

in Western thought. Then later on. And there are many other

factors plane here, but then came

of all things, the Industrial Revolution. And the Industrial

Revolution said, we don't really need God. Look at the

great exploits, look at the great

things man can do. And when the

Industrial Revolution, philosophically

and everything, man was elevated another quarter up to

three quarter and God was elevated down to a quarter

from the bottom. And then came Darwinism. They said, Look,

we don't even need God to determine the origin of man

or the universe. And in Western thought, God fell off

the screen and man was elevated to the

position the creator. And all sudden philosophically

and universities that run everything. It caught up with us.

And also and say, wait a minute, there is no objective God which has always been the

basis of truth. There's only me

and so therefore all truth is relative. There is no objective

truth to appeal to. And if all truth

is relative them truth is an

opinion of band. Therefore, all

truth is equal. And whatever they

determine, moralities, just different

opinions of man because there

is no objective basis for truth, which you need

for morality. And to me, much of this is a progression of

history over the years. Now I've given over

22000 talks at close to 1000 universities in 83 countries

including Texas. And so I have a little background to make some of these statements up until four or five years

ago in universities. Or first let me ask you, who is the number

one heretic and universities today? Who's the number

one big hit? Anyone? Christian who evangelical are

evangelists, say the street

evangelists, we refer to that the

street evangelists, someone like myself coming in about four or

five years ago, up until then, this is the way you

were heckle me. I don't believe

that proved to me that Jesus

is the Son of God. I don't believe crisis

raised my debt. I don't think God exists. Substitutes. Your Haeckel today.

The moment you say, cheeses as a way,

the truth and life, they won't say, I

don't believe that. I don't think

Jesus, Son of God, they'll say what

rate they have to say that you're

a beginner. You have no right to say that you're

intolerant. The issue of the

statement is not the key, the

truthfulness of it. It's the issue is style. What right do you

have to say it? You're saying

there's one truth or lifestyle higher

than another? Yes. You're a bigot. You're intolerant.

Salvation is found and no one else. What right do you

have to say that C, 789 years ago, you wouldn't heard

that the issue is within would've been well, I

don't believe that. What about blah, but

what about Buddha? Now is what rights

you have to say that you're

intolerant. There's been a complete

epistemological mean, a shift in the

source of truth and epistemological shift

in Western thought. It's now just be fleshed out a human and women better remember what

I'm talking about. Here's, that's something that's

going to happen. It has all ready happen. All we're seeing now

are the workings of it. There has been a

complete shift. And I talked to so many

Christian leaders and I've talked to people

within crusade even. And they'll say, oh Josh, you're getting

upset over nothing. Look, I have

faith in America. I had one liter

say, well, look at all the Republicans were elected and I say,

yeah, look at him. America won't

stand with us. They'll rise up a senior for getting

one thing. As far as I know in the

history of America, it's a first time we've

had a sociological, anthropological

change based upon an epistemological

shift of truth. It's never

happened before in America as far as I know. And I cannot find any

time in history where an epistemological shift

was ever reversed. Rationalism, humanism, enlightenment, Darwinism. Now. And if God Terry's enough, in a number of years, you will look back that tolerance

the same way. People look back

to humanism, rationalism, enlightenment,

Darwinism, everything. It'll be equal

to all that. So we better wake up. We're facing something

we have never faced before in the history of American Western world. And that is a cultural

change based upon epistemological

shift of truth. And that makes it a

whole different box. Well, I think you can see why we so strongly

urge you to stay with us today for

this edition of Dr. James Dobson family

talk hearing from our guest,

Josh McDowell. That is a rather

sobering message, but Dr. dogs, and he

does not end there. There's a whole lot

more content to present and

we'll be hearing the balance of

that next time. Luann, you said at the top of the program that the first time you

heard this recording, you made copies of it in send it to your

three sons. And you did that

because this is a message that's

desperately needed that this time, both the content

and his delivery, there's something

that Josh can do to relate to his audience that makes young people especially

sit up and listen. And I would encourage every parent to make sure they're high

schoolers hear it. Well. Our listeners

can certainly hear the passion

in his voice. He feels this subject so deeply and so do

I hope they hear the passion in

mind because our society is changing rapidly from a

value system. It's based on the

Judeo-Christian precepts and the ethic that's been essentially characteristic

of our culture from the days of the

founding fathers and even before. And at the core of that philosophical

shift is the belief that God

does not exist. That he has been

ruled out of the equation I use to

describe it this way. There are two

value systems. One of them might

be called God is, and the other one

is God isn't. And that changes

everything. If a pregnancy

is inconvenient, you can kill a baby. How can you do

that if you know God is and God

is the Creator. So babies, it changes

everything when you shift from one value

system to another. And that change happens

so suddenly that a lot of times we as

Christians don't even notice that

it's taking place. I just looked at the clock and we've been

pretty wordy today and her introduction

then wrap around. So we're going

to have to bring this program to a

conclusion here, but we're going to

pick up tomorrow with the other half

of this presentation. And to our

listeners I say, please don't miss

it. That's right. Will be Plane Part 2 of tolerating the

intolerable tomorrow. Thanks for joining

us, god bless, and we'll see you

again next time for another edition of Dr. James Dobson family top.

Audio Transcript: Tolerating the Intolerable II

This is Dr. James Dobson. These family talk, I'm Ryan Dobbs in here

with lewin crane, along with our host,

psychologist and best-selling author,

Dr. James Dobson. As today we continue

a message on the subject of tolerance

and intolerance. Well, the program

we heard last time was the first part

of what was for me, a very disturbing message was delivered by Josh, make down a great

friend of ours in josh said that

our definition of tolerance and

intolerance in this culture has changed dramatically

over time. And especially in

the last year 2, it's become an avalanche. Picking up

speed, isn't it? I mean, it really is. And today the greatest

good is to be tolerant of every opinion in every possible

philosophy. They're all okay,

they're all equal regardless of

how extreme they are. Except of course, those with Biblical

underpinnings. So the greatest evil today seems to be

anything associated with the Judeo-Christian

system of values or political

correctness. Little Doctor. Yeah, absolutely.

Right. Because we've all seen time and

time again where anybody can say

anything they want except for

Christians. I mean, if we

say something it from a biblical

perspective, we are branded as bigots or intolerant,

like you said. Well, that seems to be the wave of the future in Western nations

to the world is turned upside down. And what emerges from

this redefinition is a post Christian

environment that threatens

everything we believe, everything Jesus

taught in, certainly everything

that we're trying to teach our kids. And that's what we're going to be hearing

about today in the second half

of Josh's message. This is, as we said, a very disturbing message. But man, what a

powerful one, what an important

understanding that we said this last time and let

me repeat it. That this is a recording that you can get

from that family talk that you really

ought to send to your younger

members of the family. And they would

love it if you just posted a link on their Facebook

page or send them that link in an e-mail

or a text message. A little bit more

about Josh McDowell. He heads up Josh McDowell ministry and He's been tied to Campus Crusade

for Christ since 1964. He has spoken to

literally millions of young people in

over a 100 countries. He's written over

a 115 books, including a few that

tied directly to this topic like

beyond belief, to convictions and

the unshakable truth. We ended the program last time with just

getting into some of the implications of the positive

tolerance mindset. And so we're going to pick it up as he continues to explore the impact that this philosophy is having. So here now is

Josh McDowell on Dr. James Dobson,

family talk. Many view here I've

taken courses in comparative

religion I have and comparative

philosophy. And the purpose

of the study is a stated in the handbooks

and everything, the student guides

and all was you had to take this course

in order to evaluate, to place a value on the truth claims of

different religions. Are they true,

are they false or what different

philosophies? You can't study

that way anymore. Another implication

is this, and we better

wake up to it. Francis Shaffer came

onto the scene and said we no longer live in a Judeo-Christian culture, meaning Judeo Old Testament Christian

New Testament, that the ethics

and morality of society are derived from the Old and

New Testament. He said, We now live in a post Judeo

Christian culture. Well, I believe if

Francis Shaffer here, he would say what

I've been saying, Oh, we better wake up. We no longer live in a post

Judeo-Christian culture. We live in an anti

Judeo-Christian culture. Another implication is that tolerance

eliminates justice. Say what? Yes. Tolerance and justice

cannot co-exist. Tolerance is the

enemy of justice and justice undermines everything that

tolerance stands for. Say, Come on, Josh,

How can you say that? Very easily,

men and women. Justice says, there is a moral basis for discerning right

from wrong. Without a moral basis to discern right

from wrong, you cannot have justice. Tolerances. There

is no moral basis. If you say there's

a moral basis, it totally undermines

tolerance. And so tolerance and

justice cannot co-exist. For a few months, maybe

23 years maximum. You use that here,

the two terms used. But already you see

a tapering off. You hardly ever hear

somebody really appeal to justice anymore. It's tolerance. It's tolerance.

Positive pellets. Then tolerance eliminates

moral indignation. Unless that moral

indignation is against intolerance. You see if all

values, beliefs, lifestyles, and truth

claims are equal, you rule out

moral indignation because a moment

to express moral indignation, you expressing intolerance. That now in many

places publicly you express moral

indignation and your chastised for it. Because you're saying

there's hierarchy. It eliminates courage. Courage is good

people doing that which is right within a culture willing

to die for? Well, if everything

is equal, truth is equal to

heresy, whatever. If all values, beliefs, lifestyles are all equal. What does their

drama of caries for except the courage

for tolerance. Then tolerance

eliminates convictions. Price. There's no

truth worth defending except tolerance. Because

all truth is equal. Ck just a remark, tolerance as a virtue of a man without convictions. Wolfgang Von Goethe said, Why did I seek the

past so urine ugly. If I should not sure

with my brother. You see there's an erosion of confidence

that truth can even be discovered in Western civilization

and now East. Because God

objective truth is passed off the scene, tooth no longer seems

worth protecting. Accept the truth

of tolerance. This is why down

in Baltimore when young Brian

McConnell, 15 years old in

the middle school, their grandmother

died and he asked his mom if he could

make the tombstone. And she said yes, so

it's shop at school. He made a large

cross, he cut it out, sanded it, varnished,

it stained, and you want to put

the crossbar on. And the teacher

immediately stopped them, said You can't do that

to a 15 year-old kid. And later the school

explained it this way. If we allowed you to

put the crossbar on it, be intolerance to take

it home and do it. What do we do? I believe we need to pursue truth. You shall know the truth, and the two should

set you free. But think of this,

that very act. In a matter of months

and several years, we'll label you a

bigot and intolerant. You see right now most of you are the good guys. Are staff on the campuses, are the good guys

more or less. Directors and

churches are the good guys, the community. Than 36 to 60 months, they will be

that bad guys. Because we no longer live in a post

Judeo-Christian culture. We live in an anti

Judeo-Christian culture. And we better

equip our staff, kids and our grandkids

to deal with that. If they're going to

survive. Bill, What's the number 1 verse

historically has been quoted by Christians

and the church. What would it be? Do you think? John? John 316? Do you

know what it is now? You know what it is

now? Judge. Not that you'd be not judged. You think how many

times your judge not that John 316 anymore. Judge. That the EU not be judge because you

if you Jeju being intolerant and most

pastors agree with me. Now that's a number 1 verse

quoted by Christians. Judge, not that

you'd be not judged. We must have firm beliefs

so that they become convictions, feelings,

and beliefs. You will not survive with them in a

tolerant society. We must develop

convictions. Then. This is one of the key factors that the scriptures

never call me. To be tolerant. Under

positive tolerance, you show me one place

in the scriptures. Now the closest have

negative tolerance or pi B first

Corinthians 13, love endures all things. That has nothing to do with positive

tolerance. I can not adhered to, endorse or

propagate tolerance as it's believed today. And still name the

name Jesus Christ. And stay true to

the Word of God. The Bible does not call

us to be tolerant. It calls us, this will be the mark

of the crushed. It cause us to be

loving. To be loving. Jesus said, don't be

tolerant your enemies. He said, love

your enemies. Love those who

hate you, do good and to those

who hate you. And one of the

greatest marks of the believer will be love. Just love for the

body of Christ. So many people make

a lot out of that. We'll look, even sinners

love each other. The real mark would not just be our love

for each other, but our love for

those at the world. The centers love

each other. And Jesus was so

clear on that. And look, we are

commanded to be tolerant, are commanded

to be loving. The opposite

of intolerance is not tolerance,

it's love. Now, in Micah 68, might get the prophet

said something. That is probably

almost more relevant today than a hundreds of years ago

when he said it, Micah 68, you've

all heard it. What does the Lord, your

God require of you? But to act justly

and exercise loving kindness and all conditioned by walking humbly before the Lord. Mom, dad, staff member. The next 36 to 60 months you do either

one of those things, act justly or exercise

a loving kindness, you will be

labeled a bigoted intolerant in a heretic. If you exercise Christian

love or justice, if you do either

thing that the Lord, your God requires of us, We will become

the bad guys. Say arch. This is two

radical, no, it isn't. Think it through. We are commanded to love. And yet if I stood up and almost every church in Orlando in America

and Western world. And the first thing

I say when I walk to the podium is

I will not be tolerant of merely be labeled a heretic

by believers. And here's the

phrase I hear. You need to be

more Christ-like. You need to be Josh. You need to be

more Christ-like. You need to be

tolerant too. What are you

talking about? If Jesus Christ, we're

here today in flesh, walking the face

of the earth, the United Nations

would immediately label him the most

intolerant man, the face of the earth. And it wouldn't

take 33 years render crucify,

be crucified. It wouldn't take 33 months to be more Christ-like. In John four. Jesus loved the

woman at the well. But how intolerant he was according to

tolerance today, he said to the woman,

Go call your husband. She said, I don't

have a husband. You expose their

lifestyle as being inferior.

Said That's right. You've had five husbands and when you're

living with now is not even

your husband, you're living in adultery. You do that in the average classroom,

America today, and you'll be

labeled a heretic, a bigot, and intolerant. What right do you

have to judge? An alternate lifestyle? And Jesus said Go

call your husband. He'd immediately be

labeled intolerant today. Emily, sit in a class, need to be more

Christ-like. Jesus, love. You see today? The philosophy of today. Is it weird to be loving? We are to set

aside truth in order to love

Jesus and never to that weird speak the truth in love and

we love truthfully. Love does not

set aside truth and truth never

sets aside love. Jesus said No,

take a statement. Saying in a

classroom in America today, you know, not what you worship, but we worship God

in spirit and truth. That claim wouldn't be I don't believe that be. What right. Do I have to say that

you're a toddler. He had no right to say

that you're a bigot. And yet if I stood up in the average church

today and said, I can not be tolerant. I'd be labeled a heretic. And immediate phrases. You gotta be more

Christ-like. Judge, not that you'd

be that you etched. So you were told to

love our enemies, love without a pa, chrissy, be devoted to one another in love.

Here's the problem. Tolerance and love

cannot co-exist. It come my cat. What does the Lord, your

God require of you, but to act justly and exercise loving kindness, tolerance and Christian

love cannot coexist. And a few exercise Christian love and

36 to 60 months, you will be the bad guy, the heretic, the big

hit him intolerant. Say, how do you say that? From the understanding

Krishna, you see tolerance says, I must be indifferent. If I see an injustice or what? I must

be indifferent. If I see a lifestyle that I believe

is detrimental, that purse, I must

be indifferent. Because the moment

I step in to change, I'm being

intolerant. I'm saying there's

a lifestyle, There's a truth value, there's a bleed

higher hierarchy. Let me illustrate that. It's very interesting

when I share this with college students in the audience,

It's unbelievable. They almost were

run to the front. And the first thing they say it was this josh, everything that

you're talking about? I've experienced

this year. So you've talked to

parents, they say or talk to

Christian leaders, all Josh, you're going,

Oh, this is a true. You talk to college

students like Josh. Everything that

you've said I've experienced this year. And illustration

eight students, I was speaking efficient

at this last summer, a music festival

in Virginia. Eight students from

a school there, That's not a

liberal school. In comparison, the

secular universities, much more conservative.

Eight students. I mean, time I walked

to the counseling tent, they must have run all

the way from the back. They beat me to

the counseling 10. And it came right

up and they say almost in one voice said, Josh, everything that you said

we've experienced, in fact, at our school. If you're accused

of intolerance, just accused before you can take another course. And I've heard this

probably a 100 times as you're 40 and take another course

to graduate, you have to take

a class and cultural sensitivity. Than one guy spoke

up and he said, Josh, I'm very

committed to Jesus. That's been the hardest

year of my life. So tell me about it. He said I'm an RA. And he said last summer, a year ago, they took all of us to a conference center

for two days. And for two days, all we heard

was tolerance. Tolerance,

tolerance, powers. They brought in gays, lesbians, pedophile,

everything. And he said You

must be tolerant. You already determined. Now here's the phrase

your kids here. You already term

what is right for you and what is

real for you. And you're not to share or impose your values

upon others, but allow others

the freedom to determine what is right for them and what is wrong with them in a

live it out, unhindered. See everyone in your

kids hear that phrase. That's under tolerance. Why do you do that?

Because all is equal. Moments. You say, Well, my value is higher

than your value, your hierarchy, and

that's intolerance and bigotry and a heresy. And he said, Josh, they started out the first day by telling us every hour you can not

change anyone. Said by the second day. Every hour they

threaten us. If we catch you trying

to change anyone. As an RA, you will

not only be fired, but I'll go on

your record and follow you the

rest of your life. They said, Josh, I

feared this entire year. Ever mentioned in the

name Jesus Christ. What does the Lord your

God require of you, but act justly and the exercise,

loving kindness. And it's coming soon where we do either one of those things

will be labeled a bigot and intolerant. You see, you cannot act justly unless you can discern right from wrong. Because doing that

which is just as living out that

which is right. You cannot please

press this. You can not exercise Christian loving

kindness unless you can discern

right from wrong. Unless you concern

right from wrong. Because love

always identifies with that which is right, and speaks out against

that which is wrong. In yet today in

our culture, we've lost the basis of discerning right

from wrong. What does the Lord, your

God require of you? But to act justly and to exercise

loving kindness. You know, maybe some of you here have

never been in a meeting where what the speaker says is

literally a wake-up call. And it is today. If we go on with life as usual, we're going to wake up in 36 to 60 my

chicken enhancing. What happened? Now this is not a Western

culture thing anymore. It's a whole world. I just came back from China, Hong Kong, other places. Same thing, unbelievable. Unbelievable. And our kids are being ingrained

in students in elementary, junior, high, high

school universities. And you take what I've

said today and you listen carefully to

people's conversations around you, young people. Now, it'll start to

fit into a pattern. And I have so many

parents say to me 23 weeks after

the misspeak, Josh, I can't believe it. It was like a puzzle

coming together. As I start to look

at my own life, my own feelings and everything, You nailed it. We are facing one of the

greatest challenges. And one reason that's one of the greatest challenges is that it's so subtle. And you understand

what I'm saying here. This undermines everything that

we believe in. You talk about

prayer, all you want. Talk about revival. We talk about

evangelism, everything. But if we let the basis

of truth, the road, everything roads with it in the lives of

our children. This is why youth workers. Now, I'm hearing something

I never heard before. Bill, I'm hearing

this. Most youth workers and things,

you'd hear this. What if we don't

resolve this, we are going to lose

this generation. Now I'm hearing

this Joshua, not only lose

this generation, we will already loss

that next generation. Take to heart

what I've shared. And I do hope we all will take to heart

what we have just heard from

Mr. Josh McDowell today on Dr. James

Dobson family talk. Dr. Dobson Ryan, as

I shared earlier, Josh has spoken

to millions of people around

the world. He obviously

has a gift for evaluating what's going on in these current times. Well, I certainly hope that young people had

been listening to what he has to say

because it is so important to

this generation. Luann and Ryan, I'm

reminded of a reference to the sons of ISI car

in the Old Testament. It's in first Chronicles

12 that says quote, they understood the times and knew what to do. There are those

who do have a clear perspective

on culture, what direction

it's moving and what the implications

are of it, and what's occurring

and what's happening. I believe Josh McDowell

is one of them. And frankly, I don't want this to be

self-serving, but this is an

area where I have very strong

convictions to, because if you just keep your eyes

open and watch, you'll hear it

in the media, in the popular culture,

in the literature. And what the kids say, what the older people say, it's out there, you can't miss it if you're

listening. I recently wrote a

novel with Kurt Bruner. It's called fatherless,

and it will actually be a trilogy when we get

finished with them. Titles are fatherless, childless, and godless. And they outline what

our society will look like in 30 years if current demographic

trends continue. And there's certain to do so because, you know, 55 million babies

have been aborted in the last 40 years and they can't

be replaced. So where we are now

is where we're going and it does apply

to this issue. I hope there's

some other sons of it's a car out there who are

paying attention. Two, it really is

a great book and you can see the

progression in our society as

you're reading it. If we're moving towards a post Christian

society where people don't recognize

or acknowledge right and wrong,

good and evil. And there's no

internal restraint that comes from knowing

there is a God. And that the wages

of sin, our death, and that there are consequences for

misbehavior. There really is

no stopping us. Well, as you can see, we feel strongly

about this issue and here in the close, let me just point you

to a couple of books. The first would be

fatherless doctor, which I just finished at midnight the other night. You thank you for

keeping me up. I highly recommend that we have that available

at Dr. James stops and.org as well as Josh McDowell is book beyond belief,

convictions. What you need to know

to help youth stand strong in the face

of today's culture. You know, Luann, the

title fatherless implies that it's

the same kind of book that I've written. I've written 82 books and they've all been

nonfiction. So you would get

the implication from fatherless

that I'm talking about how to cope with dad's not being

there and why fathers should continue to make their contribution

to the family. But it's really

not about that. It's what a world

will look like when they're fewer and

fewer committed dads, we already have 40%. The babies born today are born out of wedlock. And for the African

American community, it's over 70 percent. So this is the meaning

of fatherless. Well, it is a chilling

account, doctor, but it really puts it

into perspective in a way that people will

be able to grasp. And you can find

both those resources online that Dr. James Dobson.org or

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